Two-States or One State: The Avnery-Pappe Debate
Gush Shalom has the full transcript of a 8 May 2007 debate between Uri Avnery and Ilan Pappe regarding Palestine and Israel.
Gush Shalom reports:
First to speak for a packed hall was Ilan Pappe. What he told us about ethnic cleansing having taken place in 1948 would have been even more shocking had we not already become acquainted with these facts – not in the last place due to the actions of the “new historians”, to whom Pappe himself belongs. The more remarkable thing is what conclusions the pedagogue/activist Ilan Pappe draws from the crimes which were perpetrated during the birth of the state of Israel. For Pappe, 1948 isn’t closed history about which he can say learned things, without being able to change anything. His concept is based on reversing the wrongs of 1948.
For Uri Avnery, the results of 1948 are in the main irreversible, but he wants to undo the wrongs of 1967 – in a way which would lead to two-states and a peace agreement, and he is convinced in spite of all the set-backs that that is where we are heading. Ilan Pappe, however, sees the ongoing settlements drive as… irreversible, and doesn’t believe anymore in a fair two-state solution.